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Controversial Senate candidate Roy Moore has been accused of molesting several teenage girls. Four women have come forward with stories about their experiences with him. Moore  is already on the ballot and can't be replaced at this date under Alabama election laws. The current Senator, Luther Strange, is not eligible to run as an independent, but he could be a write-in candidate if Moore drops out of the race. That, of course, is a big IF. Moore has denied the charges and probably thinks such behavior is just fine for an upstanding Christian like himself. A number of Republican Senators have called for him to step down "if the allegations are true." Proving they are true is highly unlikely.

 

“If these allegations are found to be true, Roy Moore must drop out of the Alabama special Senate election,” National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairman Cory Gardner (R-CO) said in a statement.

 

“I just recently put out a statement saying if these allegations are true, Roy Moore should step aside for all the obvious reasons. Very disturbing allegations,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) told reporters outside the Senate chamber.

 

“I think if those allegations are true, he should step aside,” said Sen. David Perdue (R-GA) about the allegations against Moore, who is running to fill Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ former Senate seat.

 

Even Sens. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Steve Daines (R-MT), two of the few sitting senators to endorse Moore, said he should step aside—but, like their colleagues, both added the caveat, “if these allegations are true.”

 

 

Definitively showing the veracity of the claims against Moore may be a tall order. The stories were relayed to the Post on the record—and supported, the Post says, by accounts from more than two dozen other sources. But Moore has flatly denied the allegations, raising the question of what standard would have to be met for Republican officials to call unequivocally for Moore’s withdrawal, short of a confession from Moore himself.

 

GOP Senators Run Away From Accused Child Molester Roy Moore

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-senators-run-away-from-accused-child-molester-roy-moore

 

The four women tell their stories in the Washington Post article.

 

Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_moore-art-1pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.db299fed7204

 

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Well - let's wait and see what the facts are. Remember democrats denied every accusation towards Bill Clinton and some even defend his behavior now. If this is true about Moore  then I don't want him in public office. And also you saying Moore probably thinks such behavior is just fine for an upstanding Christian is based on your biased opinion of Moore and not reflective of Christian values. Do you think this type of behavior should be acceptable for non - Christians?

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Yes. Bill was morally vapid to do what he did and any party-members were wrong to support it.

 

And now some more Republicans are coming forward to ask Moore to drop out. I think this takes it to a different level seeing as how this guy was a Judge! How do you preserve the seat of justice in making these bad decisions; if they come out to be true?

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Well - let's wait and see what the facts are. Remember democrats denied every accusation towards Bill Clinton and some even defend his behavior now. If this is true about Moore  then I don't want him in public office. And also you saying Moore probably thinks such behavior is just fine for an upstanding Christian is based on your biased opinion of Moore and not reflective of Christian values. Do you think this type of behavior should be acceptable for non - Christians?

 

 

Maybe you are not aware of the fact that Moore has made a political career of proclaiming his devotion to Christianity. That makes his behavior even more heinous. Do you get that?

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Well - let's wait and see what the facts are. Remember democrats denied every accusation towards Bill Clinton and some even defend his behavior now. If this is true about Moore  then I don't want him in public office. And also you saying Moore probably thinks such behavior is just fine for an upstanding Christian is based on your biased opinion of Moore and not reflective of Christian values. Do you think this type of behavior should be acceptable for non - Christians?

 

 

Maybe you are not aware of the fact that Moore has made a political career of proclaiming his devotion to Christianity. That makes his behavior even more heinous. Do you get that?

 

 

So child molestation is less heinous is committed by a non-christian?

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Well - let's wait and see what the facts are. Remember democrats denied every accusation towards Bill Clinton and some even defend his behavior now. If this is true about Moore  then I don't want him in public office. And also you saying Moore probably thinks such behavior is just fine for an upstanding Christian is based on your biased opinion of Moore and not reflective of Christian values. Do you think this type of behavior should be acceptable for non - Christians?

 

 

Maybe you are not aware of the fact that Moore has made a political career of proclaiming his devotion to Christianity. That makes his behavior even more heinous. Do you get that?

 

 

So child molestation is less heinous is committed by a non-christian?

 

 

Good point. It is indeed heinous by whomever commits it. It's just the hypocrisy that strikes me. You expect someone who makes a political career of defending the Ten Commandments to display a higher level of behavior than some depraved bum. Sorry, my mistake.

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Solon - you have already convicted the man without a trial. I'm glad you're not a judge,

 

 

Yes, you can feel safe in Judge Roy Moore's courtroom. You're presumably not a teenage girl.

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Once again you are condemning someone based on rumors and accusations. I wouldn't feel safe in your courtroom because you convict a person before the trial.

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Jennifer Rubin has the right take on this:

 

 

If you are sickened by this — both the cowering from national Republicans and the repulsive defense of Moore coming from local Republicans — you must not be a GOP “tribalist,” the new brand of Republican who will justify any conduct, excuse any behavior, rationalize any rhetoric, adopt any conspiracy theory and deny any evidence to protect the “tribe.” It’s nothing short of moral nihilism, not to mention disqualifying from public service.

 

This has been a long time coming. Republicans put up with Trump calling Mexicans rapists, insulting a POW, making racist accusations against a federal judge, attacking Gold Star parents and boasting on tape about sexual abuse of women. They’ve chosen to ignore accounts from more than a dozen women who allege Trump engaged in sexually inappropriate behavior. Republicans  have condoned lying, bullying and willful ignorance by a man some of them don’t trust with the authority to launch nuclear war. So would they let a few allegations of sexual exploitation of children get in the way of a Senate seat? You’ve got their answer.

 

The appalling and entirely predictable GOP reaction to Roy Moore’s accusers

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/11/10/the-appalling-and-entirely-predictable-gop-reaction-to-roy-moores-accusers/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.347aecb3ee7c

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Accusations are not convictions. Solon - I'm somewhat disappointed in you today. I thought you were better than this. If the man is found guilty then he should face the consequences - not before.

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If we go by your rules that accusations are convictable offences then the Clintons should have jailed in Arkansas decades ago.

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I don't recall your concern over Weinstein being convicted in a court of law, Steven. Bill Clinton was impeached, but not convicted either, so neither has met your definition of guilt.  If you read the Washington Post article in my first post, perhaps you will be less defensive about the accusations against Roy Moore.

 

If you won't listen to me, maybe you will heed Mitt Romney

 

Mitt Romney ✔@MittRomney

 

Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections. I believe Leigh Corfman. Her account is too serious to ignore. Moore is unfit for office and should step aside.

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As I said "accusations" - I never said Weinstein was guilty. He also has 57 accusers - Roy Moore only has one.

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Moore is still denying that he did anything wrong, that he knew the 14 year old girl, or he molested anyone. But, he just can't help but hedge a little by admitting that he dated "young girls" after he came back from Vietnam, refusing to deny that he dated teenagers when in his thirties, and, admits that he actually knew several of the girls.

 

It's interesting how the reporters picked up the story and developed it. Apparently, Moore's behavior was not a secret in Alabama. 

 

 

Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore declined Friday to rule out that he may have dated girls in their late teens when he was in his 30s, though he said he did not remember any such encounters and described such behavior as inappropriate.

 

“If I did, I’m not going to dispute these things, but I don’t remember anything like that,” Moore said on the Sean Hannity radio program, when asked if he dated 17- or 18-year-old girls at the time.

 

When pressed by Hannity, Moore said that he knew several of the other women who spoke to The Washington Post, which published the allegations Thursday, but did not "remember going out on dates." He admitted taking "young girls" out after returning to America following his service in Vietnam...

 

...None of the women who alleged teenage relationships with Moore sought out The Post. While reporting a story in Alabama about supporters of Moore’s Senate campaign, a Post reporter heard that Moore allegedly had sought relationships with teenage girls.

 

Over the ensuing three weeks, two Post reporters contacted and interviewed the four women. All were initially reluctant to speak publicly but chose to do so after multiple interviews, saying they thought it was important for people to know about their interactions with Moore. The women say they don’t know one another.

 

Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore denies sexual misconduct in radio interview with Sean Hannity

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/national-republican-senatorial-committee-ends-joint-fundraising-agreement-with-roy-moore-campaign/2017/11/10/f393278c-c62e-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_alabama-215p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.04314f299872

 

 

...the National Republican Senatorial Committee pulled out of a joint committee it had set up with Moore, depriving him of a fundraising vehicle for the final weeks of the campaign. But current and former national party leaders admitted that they have little power to actually force Moore from the race. The election is Dec. 12.

 

Senate candidate Roy Moore does not rule out that he may have dated teen girls when he was in his 30s

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/national-republican-senatorial-committee-ends-joint-fundraising-agreement-with-roy-moore-campaign/2017/11/10/f393278c-c62e-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_alabama-215p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.8fc3ac64ba33

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If Moore is guilty - then punish him accordingly. My question to Solon is simply this - Why do you rake Moore over the coals and not do the same for Weinstein?  I say it's because of your liberal bias. And because you don't hold liberal democrats to any type of moral standards. As I've said before - if Moore is guilty - he deserves what he gets - but I do not support your double standard of attacking one side while barely discussing the crimes of the other. Since I am an independent voter I see the protectionism of the left and the right for their own politicians and their donors.

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Well, no one said to take it easy on Harvey Weinstein. Lock his ass up. But, he's not an elected official and he's not running (as the heavy favorite) to be a U.S. Senator.

 

And if the accusations turn out to be correct then slam the bars hard, disbar him from the state of Alabama, and let him watch CSPAN and Congress in the pen!

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You are are a liar Steven. I condemned Weinstein. I NEVER defended him. Plus, you seem clueless about this fact: This entire section of Martinsville Chat is about POLITICS.  Moore is running for the US Senate. Weinstein is not, and never was, a politician. He is just a horrible Hollywood creep who is justifiably suffering consequences for his actions. There are a bunch of those types. Moore could very easily sit in the US Senate voting on the laws of the nation. Do you get the difference? Common Sense already explained it to you, but, you ignored him. This is your second lesson.

 

Added to that mistake, you are now acting the hypocrite by defending Moore. Beginning a new thread citing a fake news site to claim the charges are unraveling puts the lie to your claim to moral standards. Did you actually read that trash? You even have the temerity to claim that he must be convicted in a court of law when you know that will never happen and did not happen in the Weinstein or Clinton cases you cited.

 

Your pretense to independence is a farce. We all know where you stand. 

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The Republican party is actively seeking ways to derail Moore without losing the Senate seat to a Democrat, although the Senate campaign committee has already terminated any funding for his campaign. Among the possibilities is the delay of the election to permit his removal from the ballot. The Alabama governor may be open to that since she took office as a result of a previous moral scandal. Another is the refusal to seat him if the election goes forward. To his credit, Mitch McConnell felt compelled to take such an action once before in the Packwood case. Other efforts include disavowing him before the election and calling for a write-in coupled with a pre-vote announcement that he will not be seated. The Alabama state party continues to back him, but the Congressional delegation appears to be holding back to see how it goes. Republicans, like McConnell, think the situation would be quickly resolved if Trump would call on him to step down, but that remains problematic given the president's own history.

 

It appears that Senate Republicans, including the leadership, are determined to see that Moore never serves in the Senate and their energy is engaged in finding the best way to ensure that. 

 

 

The frenzy reflected not just the worry over the Senate seat once held by Jeff Sessions, now the attorney general, but also the broader danger of the Republican Party’s being associated with Mr. Moore.

 

...But if Mr. Moore wins, the party faces a potentially more untenable prospect: welcoming a child-molesting suspect into their ranks, a move that every Republican candidate would have to answer for. That raised memories of Todd Akin, the Republican Senate candidate who in 2012 said victims of “legitimate rape” rarely got pregnant, an assertion that Democrats hung around every candidate that year.

 

And Mr. Moore’s interview within the sympathetic confines of Mr. Hannity’s show, which was also an initial safe harbor for Mr. Akin in 2012, made Republicans in the capital only more determined that he had to step aside.

 

“I don’t remember ever dating any girl without the permission of her mother,” Mr. Moore told Mr. Hannity. Asked by Mr. Hannity if he ever dated teenagers when he was in his 30s, Mr. Moore equivocated, replying, “Not generally, no.”

 

Republicans Try to Block Moore’s Path as Candidate Denies Sexual Misconduct

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/us/politics/roy-moore-alabama-republican.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

 

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Besides the 30 people cited by the Washington Post who verified that Moore dated teenagers when in his thirties, a man has also come forward today to add verification to the story of the woman Moore dated when she was 14 years old. He told his story to an Alabama journalist for an ABC affiliate. You can see the video on her twitter site.

 

 

Mike Ortiz says he dated Corfman (Roy Moore’s accuser) for 2 years around 2009.

He says during that time, she told him about a sexual encounter w/ Moore when she was young.

 

https://twitter.com/LaurenWalshTV

 

 

 

 

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You are are a liar Steven. I condemned Weinstein. I NEVER defended him. Plus, you seem clueless about this fact: This entire section of Martinsville Chat is about POLITICS.  Moore is running for the US Senate. Weinstein is not, and never was, a politician. He is just a horrible Hollywood creep who is justifiably suffering consequences for his actions. There are a bunch of those types. Moore could very easily sit in the US Senate voting on the laws of the nation. Do you get the difference? Common Sense already explained it to you, but, you ignored him. This is your second lesson.

 

Added to that mistake, you are now acting the hypocrite by defending Moore. Beginning a new thread citing a fake news site to claim the charges are unraveling puts the lie to your claim to moral standards. Did you actually read that trash? You even have the temerity to claim that he must be convicted in a court of law when you know that will never happen and did not happen in the Weinstein or Clinton cases you cited.

 

Your pretense to independence is a farce. We all know where you stand.

 

 

Yessir. Solon can stand on proven ground on his posts.

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Solon you are a liar. I said you took it easy on Weinstein and you did and you are raking Moore over the coals. I'm not defending Moore either - just stating the obvious. You always get angry when you are caught playing the double standard. Weinstein is a major donor to the democratic party therfore this topic is exactly where it should be. You prefer to convict people in the court of public opinion not a court of law.  Class Dismissed.

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You are are a liar Steven. I condemned Weinstein. I NEVER defended him. Plus, you seem clueless about this fact: This entire section of Martinsville Chat is about POLITICS.  Moore is running for the US Senate. Weinstein is not, and never was, a politician. He is just a horrible Hollywood creep who is justifiably suffering consequences for his actions. There are a bunch of those types. Moore could very easily sit in the US Senate voting on the laws of the nation. Do you get the difference? Common Sense already explained it to you, but, you ignored him. This is your second lesson.

 

Added to that mistake, you are now acting the hypocrite by defending Moore. Beginning a new thread citing a fake news site to claim the charges are unraveling puts the lie to your claim to moral standards. Did you actually read that trash? You even have the temerity to claim that he must be convicted in a court of law when you know that will never happen and did not happen in the Weinstein or Clinton cases you cited.

 

Your pretense to independence is a farce. We all know where you stand.

 

You are a fake news troll with gaps in knowledge and logic anyone can drive a truck through.

Not only did you DEFEND Moore with claims that he must be convicted in a court of law, but you posted a fake news site with trashy attacks on his accusers. That's clear for everyone to see.

 

You started the personal attacks. If choose to apologize this is your chance to correct your mistake. 

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It seems clear at this point that the White House has determined that Roy Moore's conduct is not disqualifying.  White House officials in talk shows yesterday condemned the idea of molesting girls, but said they would give Moore time to defend himself as if the existing reports were insufficient in themselves. If he is elected, and in all probability he will be, Democrats will have an issue to take into the 2018 Congressional elections. In addition to the morals accusations, Moore has taken a variety of controversial positions that will gain national attention and create electoral problems for the party. Evidence of that is clear from the action of voters in last Tuesday's elections. The Democratic advantage among women and college educated men was dramatic when compared with the 2016 vote. If that continues, and Moore's prominence would tend to encourage that, the Dems may have an excellent opportunity to take control of the House.

 

In the off chance that Moore is defeated, a Democratic victory would whittle the Republican Senate advantage to one and put the Republican program in jeopardy there.

 

 

...is there any evidence, short of a Moore confession or video proof of Moore’s actions, that would be sufficient to persuade White House officials and Republicans to decide that Moore has been disqualified? The original Post story was based on interviews with more than 30 people who said they knew Moore over the decades, and the Post reported that none of the women knew each other or sought out the paper’s reporters. Corfman’s family stands by the story. If this isn’t enough, what would be?

 

Indeed, in light of these facts, a few Republicans (such as John McCain) have declared that the existence of the accusations is itself disqualifying, or (as Mitt Romney has explicitly put it) that they believe Moore’s accusers. This is an election, not a court of law, and they have concluded Moore should step aside — based on a judgment as to whose account is the more credible one. Making such a judgment is precisely the step that the White House and Republicans in the “if true” camp are trying to discourage.

 

Ignore the spin. Trump and the GOP have made a devil’s bargain with Roy Moore.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/11/13/ignore-the-spin-trump-and-gop-have-made-a-devils-bargain-with-roy-moore/?utm_term=.9d211182f261

 

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